One pension fund executive believes private credit has a role in portfolios, but in a high-rate environment, private credit funds may be extracting returns from other asset classes.
Antonio Rodriguez, director of investments at Building Service 32BJ Funds, a $10 billion pension fund system, is building out an internal team and moving the plans away from an OCIO model and into an in-house team overseeing the portfolio. He was previously with the New York City Board of Education retirement system.
Rodriguez said that among the 11 funds in the 32BJ retirement system, four invest in private credit.
The question for pension plans, as Rodriguez sees it, is "what are you replacing with private credit? Some pensions and institutions historically focused on private equity, and that money might gravitate to private credit. But private credit does move you up the risk spectrum."
Now that financing costs have skyrocketed, Rodriguez said, private credit funds "can't lever up as much, or the borrowers pay more and more interest. For any one deal that doesn't matter. But from a portfolio perspective, if I'm in equity and debt, where are my returns coming from?"
Rodriguez talks with peers in pension funds about the returns on "our private credit portfolios, mostly direct lending, being really high. Are (private credit investments) extracting that from our private equity investments, with sponsored lending? The cost of financing is higher, and private credit managers dictate the terms — by its very nature that financing cost can be passed on to their customers. Where does that land us as investors" in both credit and equity funds, he asked.
In prior decades' low-interest-rate world, pension funds' fiduciary duty to generate returns for their retirees might have pushed them to use alternatives to public markets, RBC's Skiba said.
At that time, "documentation was strong, and excess compensation for investing in those assets was significant. It made sense," Skiba said.
But in a high-interest-rate environment, and "from a fees standpoint, you're better off in public high yield. You don't have to make a bargain with the devil for those extra returns."